Comments on: Convincing the Public to Accept New Medical Guidelines http://www.miller-mccune.com/health/convincing-the-public-to-accept-new-medical-guidelines-11422/ Nationally Acclaimed Politics, Science and Culture Coverage Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:00:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tweetingdonalhttp://www.miller-mccune.com/health/convincing-the-public-to-accept-new-medical-guidelines-11422/#comment-15431 Tweetingdonal Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:17:10 +0000 http://www.miller-mccune.com/?p=11422#comment-15431 It is remarkable to see the points made in the posting so clearly demonstrated in the comments from the readers don't you think? Defending your entrenched position, weighing in with fragmented commentary. Redirecting the conversation to attack unrelated beliefs... ad nauseum. Thank you for the insightful article, it explained a number of things I have recently encountered with people and their belief systems. "Truth wins" may be something that we are taught but is yet another strongly held incorrect belief. It's recursive! Fascinating. It is remarkable to see the points made in the posting so clearly demonstrated in the comments from the readers don’t you think?

Defending your entrenched position, weighing in with fragmented commentary. Redirecting the conversation to attack unrelated beliefs… ad nauseum.

Thank you for the insightful article, it explained a number of things I have recently encountered with people and their belief systems. “Truth wins” may be something that we are taught but is yet another strongly held incorrect belief. It’s recursive! Fascinating.

]]> By: Jimhttp://www.miller-mccune.com/health/convincing-the-public-to-accept-new-medical-guidelines-11422/#comment-12263 Jim Thu, 06 May 2010 15:06:41 +0000 http://www.miller-mccune.com/?p=11422#comment-12263 did the suthor or approvers at this publication even read or research the study by Dr. Neiman? If so, they would have found that the funding for the study was from Gatorade to see if there was any problem with Gatorade use (which many atheletes depend on) and Ibuprofen (also used alot) on electrolyte concentrations. The study results found no changes so no problem- at the dose administered in the study.200mg (dose administered) on this OTC drug may be fine for the occasional non-injury or low impact mild injury to diminish soreness and get you through your day. But that dose for alot of folks is no match for pain associated with deep muscle/tissue bruising and damage associated with trauma such as an endurance race. The study did what it was supposed to and is accurate but IMO, the dose administered was too low. Did you even read the abstract conclusion in the peer-reivewed journal in which it was published? If so, you would found that the conclusion was essentially that the rigors of this endurance run were no match for the low dose of Ibuprofen administered did the suthor or approvers at this publication even read or research the study by Dr. Neiman? If so, they would have found that the funding for the study was from Gatorade to see if there was any problem with Gatorade use (which many atheletes depend on) and Ibuprofen (also used alot) on electrolyte concentrations. The study results found no changes so no problem- at the dose administered in the study.

200mg (dose administered) on this OTC drug may be fine for the occasional non-injury or low impact mild injury to diminish soreness and get you through your day. But that dose for alot of folks is no match for pain associated with deep muscle/tissue bruising and damage associated with trauma such as an endurance race. The study did what it was supposed to and is accurate but IMO, the dose administered was too low. Did you even read the abstract conclusion in the peer-reivewed journal in which it was published? If so, you would found that the conclusion was essentially that the rigors of this endurance run were no match for the low dose of Ibuprofen administered

]]> By: jpeditorhttp://www.miller-mccune.com/health/convincing-the-public-to-accept-new-medical-guidelines-11422/#comment-9470 jpeditor Wed, 28 Apr 2010 06:59:55 +0000 http://www.miller-mccune.com/?p=11422#comment-9470 It's all about semantics.Anything medical funded by this "administration" will meet resistance because the American people know that Øbowmao and his cohorts do NOT have their best interests at heart.So the trick for ØbowmaoCare is to rename the treatments that aren't cost efffective... (I mean cost too much to keep Republicans alive).Remember all the scoffing you Øbama toadies in the media did about "death panels"?Here's Paul Krugman, NYT #1 shill for Øbowmao explaining how they will simply be renamed "Medical Advisory Boards" and they will save a ton of money!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aogCaGv9i78 It’s all about semantics.

Anything medical funded by this “administration” will meet resistance because the American people know that Øbowmao and his cohorts do NOT have their best interests at heart.

So the trick for ØbowmaoCare is to rename the treatments that aren’t cost efffective… (I mean cost too much to keep Republicans alive).

Remember all the scoffing you Øbama toadies in the media did about “death panels”?

Here’s Paul Krugman, NYT #1 shill for Øbowmao explaining how they will simply be renamed “Medical Advisory Boards” and they will save a ton of money!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aogCaGv9i78

]]> By: eveiehttp://www.miller-mccune.com/health/convincing-the-public-to-accept-new-medical-guidelines-11422/#comment-9383 eveie Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:38:31 +0000 http://www.miller-mccune.com/?p=11422#comment-9383 If they are just trying to save money at the expense of a few people dying this is just wrong. A lot of the dangerous over the counter remedies are used because the tried and true cause addiction in some people. Big pharma often causes a lot of health problems but big pharma encourages people to take more medicines for profit. If they are just trying to save money at the expense of a few people dying this is just wrong.
A lot of the dangerous over the counter remedies are used because the tried and true cause addiction in some people.
Big pharma often causes a lot of health problems but big pharma encourages people to take more medicines for profit.

]]> By: R. Mariahttp://www.miller-mccune.com/health/convincing-the-public-to-accept-new-medical-guidelines-11422/#comment-7594 R. Maria Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:49:04 +0000 http://www.miller-mccune.com/?p=11422#comment-7594 This argument holds true for the whole sunscreen issue too. Sunscreen prevents sunburn, there is no evidence that it prevents skin cancer. So we cut off a vital source of Vitamin D causing other health problems. This argument holds true for the whole sunscreen issue too. Sunscreen prevents sunburn, there is no evidence that it prevents skin cancer. So we cut off a vital source of Vitamin D causing other health problems.

]]> By: K.M. Jellenhttp://www.miller-mccune.com/health/convincing-the-public-to-accept-new-medical-guidelines-11422/#comment-7556 K.M. Jellen Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:02:30 +0000 http://www.miller-mccune.com/?p=11422#comment-7556 This is a good article. And yes, narrative sells a point, for sure. An observation: the Public doesn't always trust "the truth" b/c scientific results are not always true. Many studies are later dismissed as sketchy/untrue. How much calcium is a woman around 40 supposed to take (so many truths to that one!)? Is mercury safe for tooth fillings? "Studies show... " must be the most common phrase in contemporary English, and.... Public is grateful for what scientific studies show. Public, rightly, then has to make up its own mind. There's a lack of trust in what doctors tell us, in what "studies show...."http://www.miller-mccune.com/science-environment/esp-study-suggests-lack-of-trust-in-science-14659/ Perfect! This is a good article. And yes, narrative sells a point, for sure. An observation: the Public doesn’t always trust “the truth” b/c scientific results are not always true. Many studies are later dismissed as sketchy/untrue. How much calcium is a woman around 40 supposed to take (so many truths to that one!)? Is mercury safe for tooth fillings? “Studies show… ” must be the most common phrase in contemporary English, and…. Public is grateful for what scientific studies show. Public, rightly, then has to make up its own mind. There’s a lack of trust in what doctors tell us, in what “studies show….”

http://www.miller-mccune.com/science-environment/esp-study-suggests-lack-of-trust-in-science-14659/ Perfect!

]]> By: Charles Buzowskihttp://www.miller-mccune.com/health/convincing-the-public-to-accept-new-medical-guidelines-11422/#comment-7015 Charles Buzowski Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:32:36 +0000 http://www.miller-mccune.com/?p=11422#comment-7015 Dear macdoodle, If you are going to leave a comment, please take the time to check your spelling and grammar. Frankly, after reading your comment twice, I'm still not sure what your point is. Your comment, "I had phd testing tossed to fit me to the agency needs and told if one conditIon was inconvenient, why not just not have it," is gibberish. Dear macdoodle,
If you are going to leave a comment, please take the time to check your spelling and grammar. Frankly, after reading your comment twice, I’m still not sure what your point is. Your comment, “I had phd testing tossed to fit me to the agency needs and told if one conditIon was inconvenient, why not just not have it,” is gibberish.

]]> By: Bob Finnhttp://www.miller-mccune.com/health/convincing-the-public-to-accept-new-medical-guidelines-11422/#comment-6774 Bob Finn Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:32:49 +0000 http://www.miller-mccune.com/?p=11422#comment-6774 While I accept the major thesis of this article, I think the example in the lede is a poor one. <p> </p> The study by Nieman et al (Brain Behav Immun. 2005 Sep;19(5):398-403.) was a post-hoc analysis, not a prospective, randomized, controlled trial. As a result, you can't imply that ibuprofen *caused* greater levels of inflammation or that it failed to relieve pain and soreness. All you can say is that ibuprofen use was *associated with* greater inflammation and pain. <p> </p> An alternative explanation could be that the people who tended to use ibuprofen are the ones who suffered exceptionally high levels of pain and inflammation without the drug. The drug may have decreased that pain and inflammation substantially, while still leaving both above the level of the runners who chose not to use ibuprofen. <p> </p> Remember, correlation does not equal causation! While I accept the major thesis of this article, I think the example in the lede is a poor one.

 

The study by Nieman et al (Brain Behav Immun. 2005 Sep;19(5):398-403.) was a post-hoc analysis, not a prospective, randomized, controlled trial. As a result, you can’t imply that ibuprofen *caused* greater levels of inflammation or that it failed to relieve pain and soreness. All you can say is that ibuprofen use was *associated with* greater inflammation and pain.

 

An alternative explanation could be that the people who tended to use ibuprofen are the ones who suffered exceptionally high levels of pain and inflammation without the drug. The drug may have decreased that pain and inflammation substantially, while still leaving both above the level of the runners who chose not to use ibuprofen.

 

Remember, correlation does not equal causation!

]]> By: macdoodlehttp://www.miller-mccune.com/health/convincing-the-public-to-accept-new-medical-guidelines-11422/#comment-6688 macdoodle Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:06:02 +0000 http://www.miller-mccune.com/?p=11422#comment-6688 Fix it with a drug Even many addiction recovery programs say replace your drugs with our drugs.INSTA GRATIFICATION , EASIEST CURE is a real phenomenon.in low income mh the drug em and shove em program is preferred. Fix real problems with a pill.I had phd testing tossed to fit me to the agency needs and told if one conditIon was inconvenient, why not just not have it-Finding only diagnoses and cure to insta fix vs the long road that works is common place and penny wise... and yet it is getting more and more common. Fix it with a drug
Even many addiction recovery programs say replace your drugs with our drugs.

INSTA GRATIFICATION , EASIEST CURE is a real phenomenon.

in low income mh the drug em and shove em program is preferred.
Fix real problems with a pill.

I had phd testing tossed to fit me to the agency needs and told if one conditIon was inconvenient, why not just not have it-

Finding only diagnoses and cure to insta fix vs the long road that works is common place and penny wise… and yet it is getting more and more common.

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