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> <channel><title>Comments on: Deflating the Grade Inflation Scare</title> <atom:link href="http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture-society/deflating-the-grade-inflation-scare-5803/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture-society/deflating-the-grade-inflation-scare-5803/</link> <description>Nationally Acclaimed Politics, Science and Culture Coverage</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:00:17 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: krafty</title><link>http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture-society/deflating-the-grade-inflation-scare-5803/#comment-2553</link> <dc:creator>krafty</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:03:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.miller-mccune.com.s72010.gridserver.com/?p=5803#comment-2553</guid> <description>Richard, as you well know since we&#039;re friends, we both attended a state university with a well-deserved reputation for grade inflation, though I think this was often dependent on the department and the professor.  I took freshman chemistry and really had to bust my butt to earn a decent grade.  Many of my dorm-mates had to drop the course because they were pulling C&#039;s or less.  Things were much easier after I became an English major.  I rarely went to class because I was engaged in other (worthwhile) pursuits, but I left college needing about 28 credits to graduate to pursue a career that did not really require a degree.When I decided in my 30&#039;s to try for medical school, I needed to first complete my BA.  I contacted most of the professors from my upper level English courses, where many of my incompletes were earned.  Almost all let me off the hook--8-9 years later--with a relatively easy assignment, which, in at least one case, had nothing to do with the subject matter of the original course.  They all gave me A&#039;s.On the other hand, when I later enrolled in pre-med at another state university--a good one--and took a standard pre-med curriculum (organic chemistry, phsycis, physiology, microbiology, etc),I had to really bust it to earn a decent grade.I think most would agree that grade inflation occurs more in liberal arts courses than in math/science courses, and is characteristic of some institutions but not others.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, as you well know since we&#8217;re friends, we both attended a state university with a well-deserved reputation for grade inflation, though I think this was often dependent on the department and the professor.  I took freshman chemistry and really had to bust my butt to earn a decent grade.  Many of my dorm-mates had to drop the course because they were pulling C&#8217;s or less.  Things were much easier after I became an English major.  I rarely went to class because I was engaged in other (worthwhile) pursuits, but I left college needing about 28 credits to graduate to pursue a career that did not really require a degree.</p><p>When I decided in my 30&#8242;s to try for medical school, I needed to first complete my BA.  I contacted most of the professors from my upper level English courses, where many of my incompletes were earned.  Almost all let me off the hook&#8211;8-9 years later&#8211;with a relatively easy assignment, which, in at least one case, had nothing to do with the subject matter of the original course.  They all gave me A&#8217;s.</p><p>On the other hand, when I later enrolled in pre-med at another state university&#8211;a good one&#8211;and took a standard pre-med curriculum (organic chemistry, phsycis, physiology, microbiology, etc),I had to really bust it to earn a decent grade.</p><p>I think most would agree that grade inflation occurs more in liberal arts courses than in math/science courses, and is characteristic of some institutions but not others.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Robert Berger</title><link>http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture-society/deflating-the-grade-inflation-scare-5803/#comment-960</link> <dc:creator>Robert Berger</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:43:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.miller-mccune.com.s72010.gridserver.com/?p=5803#comment-960</guid> <description> Speaking from my own experience in college and graduate school</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking from my own experience in college and graduate school</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rojstaczer Stuart</title><link>http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture-society/deflating-the-grade-inflation-scare-5803/#comment-1605</link> <dc:creator>Rojstaczer Stuart</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:56:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.miller-mccune.com.s72010.gridserver.com/?p=5803#comment-1605</guid> <description>This is an interesting article, but the paper it&#039;s based on isn&#039;t really research. The authors took selective data from one institution and used it to write an extended opinion piece that contains errors of fact.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Their statement &quot;American colleges and universities are now in at least the fifth decade of well-documented grade inflation&quot; is simply not true.  As I and others have noted (some wonderful and forgotten work was done by an administrator at Michigan State who might have coined the term grade inflation) the mid-1970s to mid-1980s were a period of grade stability.  Also, there likely always has been pressure to dilute the currency of a grade.  Grades have never been static.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Their statement &quot;no systematic data exist for comparing course grades across colleges and universities&quot; is simply not true.  There are public data everywhere online.  It would be quite easy to collect such data in a systematic way from many institutions and analyze for national trends.  Writing a paper based on data from one institution and claiming no other comparable data exist is simply being lazy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ignoring the errors in the original paper, the authors state that grade inflation is &quot;costless.&quot; This is simply not true. If you add up the continuing effects of grading softer and softer over decades, the impact is damaging. It leads to a less serious classroom. It leads to motivation problems on the part of students. Over the last forty years, study hours have declined by roughly half nationwide. Students now study only about 14 hours a week partly because expectations are so low. They are learning significantly less than they once did. Studies show they are less engaged in learning and that their ability to comprehend complex English has decreased. Textbooks have been dumbed down; an author in my own field of study had to write a &quot;lite version&quot; of his longstanding textbook at the request of his publisher. I know personally that I had to throw out the use of calculus in my junior level classes because I could no longer assume that students - despite having taken and passed calculus in college - understood it in any way shape or form.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not even clear that students are &quot;happy&quot; about rising grades.  It’s true that many of the slackers are happier.  They get to earn a high grade with little effort.  But one of the stranger things that I&#039;ve observed is that as grades have gone up, students with ambition have become even more neurotic about their GPAs. For example take a student from a place like Yale, which has one of the most lax grading practices in the nation. Let&#039;s say you were a pre-law or pre-med student there and you wanted to get into a top professional school. You&#039;d want to earn honors upon graduation. Last year, to earn honors of any kind (be in the top 30 percent of your class or better) you needed at least a 3.76 GPA. Getting a B would be a major setback for any student with high goals. That&#039;s why students today are arguing over grades less than an A-; they are worrying about their GPAs to the hundredths place. One of the stranger things about grade inflation is that it has created an environment where many of the best students (and some students who want A&#039;s even though they produce only average work) are more obsessed about grades, not less.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Grade inflation is symptomatic of a college environment where learning is subsidiary to the “college experience.” We do a disservice to outstanding students by creating a wan experience in the classroom designed to keep slackers happy.  We fail to reward excellence, choosing to lump outstanding performance with mediocrity.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The effect of grade inflation isn&#039;t simply a rise in a number. The level of achievement represented by a college degree has diminished. That&#039;s a significant cost to a nation that depends on an educated workforce for its competitiveness.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stuart Rojstaczer</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting article, but the paper it&#8217;s based on isn&#8217;t really research. The authors took selective data from one institution and used it to write an extended opinion piece that contains errors of fact.</p><p>Their statement &#8220;American colleges and universities are now in at least the fifth decade of well-documented grade inflation&#8221; is simply not true.  As I and others have noted (some wonderful and forgotten work was done by an administrator at Michigan State who might have coined the term grade inflation) the mid-1970s to mid-1980s were a period of grade stability.  Also, there likely always has been pressure to dilute the currency of a grade.  Grades have never been static.</p><p>Their statement &#8220;no systematic data exist for comparing course grades across colleges and universities&#8221; is simply not true.  There are public data everywhere online.  It would be quite easy to collect such data in a systematic way from many institutions and analyze for national trends.  Writing a paper based on data from one institution and claiming no other comparable data exist is simply being lazy.</p><p>Ignoring the errors in the original paper, the authors state that grade inflation is &#8220;costless.&#8221; This is simply not true. If you add up the continuing effects of grading softer and softer over decades, the impact is damaging. It leads to a less serious classroom. It leads to motivation problems on the part of students. Over the last forty years, study hours have declined by roughly half nationwide. Students now study only about 14 hours a week partly because expectations are so low. They are learning significantly less than they once did. Studies show they are less engaged in learning and that their ability to comprehend complex English has decreased. Textbooks have been dumbed down; an author in my own field of study had to write a &#8220;lite version&#8221; of his longstanding textbook at the request of his publisher. I know personally that I had to throw out the use of calculus in my junior level classes because I could no longer assume that students &#8211; despite having taken and passed calculus in college &#8211; understood it in any way shape or form.</p><p>It&#8217;s not even clear that students are &#8220;happy&#8221; about rising grades.  It’s true that many of the slackers are happier.  They get to earn a high grade with little effort.  But one of the stranger things that I&#8217;ve observed is that as grades have gone up, students with ambition have become even more neurotic about their GPAs. For example take a student from a place like Yale, which has one of the most lax grading practices in the nation. Let&#8217;s say you were a pre-law or pre-med student there and you wanted to get into a top professional school. You&#8217;d want to earn honors upon graduation. Last year, to earn honors of any kind (be in the top 30 percent of your class or better) you needed at least a 3.76 GPA. Getting a B would be a major setback for any student with high goals. That&#8217;s why students today are arguing over grades less than an A-; they are worrying about their GPAs to the hundredths place. One of the stranger things about grade inflation is that it has created an environment where many of the best students (and some students who want A&#8217;s even though they produce only average work) are more obsessed about grades, not less.</p><p>Grade inflation is symptomatic of a college environment where learning is subsidiary to the “college experience.” We do a disservice to outstanding students by creating a wan experience in the classroom designed to keep slackers happy.  We fail to reward excellence, choosing to lump outstanding performance with mediocrity.</p><p>The effect of grade inflation isn&#8217;t simply a rise in a number. The level of achievement represented by a college degree has diminished. That&#8217;s a significant cost to a nation that depends on an educated workforce for its competitiveness.</p><p>Stuart Rojstaczer</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: richard korman</title><link>http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture-society/deflating-the-grade-inflation-scare-5803/#comment-998</link> <dc:creator>richard korman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:28:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.miller-mccune.com.s72010.gridserver.com/?p=5803#comment-998</guid> <description>Richard Korman replies:Well put by Mr. Braconi. Where were the writing teachers who were supposed to be giving the tough grades in writing so that other subject matter teachers don&#039;t have to? Students arrive at college unprepared to write at college level or their writing slips under the pressures of college study. College students who write poorly may be poor writers but many of them also are just poorly organized and don&#039;t start writing soon enough and leave time to revise and clarify what they mean.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Korman replies:Well put by Mr. Braconi. Where were the writing teachers who were supposed to be giving the tough grades in writing so that other subject matter teachers don&#8217;t have to? Students arrive at college unprepared to write at college level or their writing slips under the pressures of college study. College students who write poorly may be poor writers but many of them also are just poorly organized and don&#8217;t start writing soon enough and leave time to revise and clarify what they mean.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: richard korman</title><link>http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture-society/deflating-the-grade-inflation-scare-5803/#comment-1409</link> <dc:creator>richard korman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:28:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.miller-mccune.com.s72010.gridserver.com/?p=5803#comment-1409</guid> <description>Richard Korman replies:Well put by Mr. Braconi. Where were the writing teachers who were supposed to be giving the tough grades in writing so that other subject matter teachers don&#039;t have to? Students arrive at college unprepared to write at college level or their writing slips under the pressures of college study. College students who write poorly may be poor writers but many of them also are just poorly organized and don&#039;t start writing soon enough and leave time to revise and clarify what they mean.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Korman replies:Well put by Mr. Braconi. Where were the writing teachers who were supposed to be giving the tough grades in writing so that other subject matter teachers don&#8217;t have to? Students arrive at college unprepared to write at college level or their writing slips under the pressures of college study. College students who write poorly may be poor writers but many of them also are just poorly organized and don&#8217;t start writing soon enough and leave time to revise and clarify what they mean.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Frank Braconi</title><link>http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture-society/deflating-the-grade-inflation-scare-5803/#comment-1403</link> <dc:creator>Frank Braconi</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:20:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.miller-mccune.com.s72010.gridserver.com/?p=5803#comment-1403</guid> <description>Having just finished reading 22 term papers and 22 final exams, the agonizing grading process is still very fresh to me. Truth is, once you leave the realm of multiple choice, right-or-wrong, grading is very subjective.  The most difficult part of it, from an educator&#039;s point of view, is factoring in writing ability and the thought processes that support it. There is an asymmetry in how we (society in general) look at logical thought and its expression, relative to other skills.  Nobody thinks it&#039;s unfair to flunk a math student who gets calculations wrong (no matter how much he/she studied), or for that matter to kick off the baseball team somebody who can&#039;t hit a curveball (no matter how much he/she practices). But there is a hesitance, in college and in society at large, to give a poor grade to somebody who just can&#039;t write a coherent argument; it&#039;s like flunking somebody because they are overweight or are left-handed. It&#039;s not considered fair.  Try giving a poor grade to a student who has done a lot of work on a project, invested a lot of research time, and handed in an incoherent paper.  Try telling them, &quot;You received a low grade because you are a terrible writer.&quot; Think you will get a complaint on that one, if not a formal appeal? So allowances are made for students who can&#039;t articulate what they&#039;re thinking (and since they can&#039;t articulate you can&#039;t really be sure what they&#039;re thinking) and certain types of skills don&#039;t get sufficiently rewarded and certain deficiencies don&#039;t get properly penalized. These biases in grading have convinced me that it should all be done on a pass/fail basis.  Want to evaluate a student&#039;s qualifications for graduate school or employment?  Look at the courses they passed and the work samples they can submit. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just finished reading 22 term papers and 22 final exams, the agonizing grading process is still very fresh to me. Truth is, once you leave the realm of multiple choice, right-or-wrong, grading is very subjective.  The most difficult part of it, from an educator&#8217;s point of view, is factoring in writing ability and the thought processes that support it. There is an asymmetry in how we (society in general) look at logical thought and its expression, relative to other skills.  Nobody thinks it&#8217;s unfair to flunk a math student who gets calculations wrong (no matter how much he/she studied), or for that matter to kick off the baseball team somebody who can&#8217;t hit a curveball (no matter how much he/she practices). But there is a hesitance, in college and in society at large, to give a poor grade to somebody who just can&#8217;t write a coherent argument; it&#8217;s like flunking somebody because they are overweight or are left-handed. It&#8217;s not considered fair.  Try giving a poor grade to a student who has done a lot of work on a project, invested a lot of research time, and handed in an incoherent paper.  Try telling them, &#8220;You received a low grade because you are a terrible writer.&#8221; Think you will get a complaint on that one, if not a formal appeal? So allowances are made for students who can&#8217;t articulate what they&#8217;re thinking (and since they can&#8217;t articulate you can&#8217;t really be sure what they&#8217;re thinking) and certain types of skills don&#8217;t get sufficiently rewarded and certain deficiencies don&#8217;t get properly penalized. These biases in grading have convinced me that it should all be done on a pass/fail basis.  Want to evaluate a student&#8217;s qualifications for graduate school or employment?  Look at the courses they passed and the work samples they can submit.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: richard korman</title><link>http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture-society/deflating-the-grade-inflation-scare-5803/#comment-1381</link> <dc:creator>richard korman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.miller-mccune.com.s72010.gridserver.com/?p=5803#comment-1381</guid> <description>Richard Korman writes:The criticism posted above is correct. I wrote that a .01 rise in GPA over 15 years amounted to a .3 increase. I should have written what the authors said in their study, that at that rate of increase a grade of 3.0 would rise to 3.3 &quot;over about 30 years.&quot; The mistake is mine.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Korman writes:The criticism posted above is correct. I wrote that a .01 rise in GPA over 15 years amounted to a .3 increase. I should have written what the authors said in their study, that at that rate of increase a grade of 3.0 would rise to 3.3 &#8220;over about 30 years.&#8221; The mistake is mine.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous User</title><link>http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture-society/deflating-the-grade-inflation-scare-5803/#comment-1377</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous User</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:47:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.miller-mccune.com.s72010.gridserver.com/?p=5803#comment-1377</guid> <description>If grades rose 0.01/yr over 15 yrs,. how does one calculate an increase of 0.3?I do not believe that &quot;a GPA&quot; is a unit; the GPA numbers are abstract.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If grades rose 0.01/yr over 15 yrs,. how does one calculate an increase of 0.3?I do not believe that &#8220;a GPA&#8221; is a unit; the GPA numbers are abstract.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: richard korman</title><link>http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture-society/deflating-the-grade-inflation-scare-5803/#comment-1372</link> <dc:creator>richard korman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:28:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.miller-mccune.com.s72010.gridserver.com/?p=5803#comment-1372</guid> <description>Richard Korman replies:Grading dates to a time when scholars believed you could accurately measure a mind or intellectual achievement. And everyone has stories about grading horrors. But I wouldn&#039;t abolish grades, as Robert Berger suggests in his posted comment, because comparisons still are needed and students need feedback in the form of comparisons. Of course learning is much more complex and grades shouldn&#039;t be the central point of study and teaching, as often happens. Doesn&#039;t anyone else believe this is true?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Korman replies:Grading dates to a time when scholars believed you could accurately measure a mind or intellectual achievement. And everyone has stories about grading horrors. But I wouldn&#8217;t abolish grades, as Robert Berger suggests in his posted comment, because comparisons still are needed and students need feedback in the form of comparisons. Of course learning is much more complex and grades shouldn&#8217;t be the central point of study and teaching, as often happens. Doesn&#8217;t anyone else believe this is true?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Robert Berger</title><link>http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture-society/deflating-the-grade-inflation-scare-5803/#comment-1371</link> <dc:creator>Robert Berger</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:11:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://blog.miller-mccune.com.s72010.gridserver.com/?p=5803#comment-1371</guid> <description> Speaking from my own experience in college and graduate school, I have found grading to be nothing but a crap shoot on many occaisions.  Often, professors do not grade you based on either effort or ability, but on whether they just happen to like your work.  I have experienced professors who have shown atrociously poor judgement in grading; not only was there no grade inflation, but the exact opposite of this.  You can work your tail off and get nothing but a lousy C while other students receive As and Bs by merely coasting through a course.This is why grades should be abolished; they are not necessarily an accurate reflection on students and grade point average can be highly misleading.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking from my own experience in college and graduate school, I have found grading to be nothing but a crap shoot on many occaisions.  Often, professors do not grade you based on either effort or ability, but on whether they just happen to like your work.  I have experienced professors who have shown atrociously poor judgement in grading; not only was there no grade inflation, but the exact opposite of this.  You can work your tail off and get nothing but a lousy C while other students receive As and Bs by merely coasting through a course.This is why grades should be abolished; they are not necessarily an accurate reflection on students and grade point average can be highly misleading.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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